Re: [nbos] Looking for more mapping symbols...
"Mark Oliva"
Tue Feb 26th, 2008

> Mark: Help! - are you there?

Sure. Even though I live in Germany, English remains my mother tongue. Nonetheless, I've read your posting three times, and I'm not positive that I've figured out what you want to know. If the following doesn't answer your questions, please post again without quotes from previous messages and just say directly what you want to know.

1. Vector and raster (PNG) symbols are two horses of different colors.

2. CC2/CC3 vector symbols must be converted before they will work with FM8. Ed Diana (NBOS) was working on a conversion program, but there also are license issue with ProFantasy Ltd. there. I don't know what the status is. If you need to know that, you should ask Ed.

3. CC3 raster symbols work immediately in FM8. CC3 raster symbols all use a PNG file as the graphic source. FM8 automatically uses PNG files as symbols. Nothing more needs to be done.

4. CC3 raster symbols are copyrighted. If I understand ProFantasy's licensing requirements correctly, you are required to have the ProFantasy program (i.e. CC3, SS1. SS2, DD3, etc.) that is the source of the symbols legally installed on your computer if you wish to use the ProFantasy symbols with FM8. If this is an issue for you, I would contact ProFantasy directly to get a more precise answer.

What are you trying to do by uninstalling and reinstalling CC3? I don't need to worry about the symbol files going away (make a copy and work with the copy, not the originals).

No one has to install or reinstall anything. It's only an option. One can copy the ProFantasy symbols into FM8 symbol folders and they will work just fine. Picking out the necessary symbols to copy and then copying them can be quite time-consuming, particularly if you have ProFantasy symbols from several ProFantasy programs.

The point I was making is that if you install the ProFantasy CC3-generation products _after_ FM8 is installed, they will automatically install the symbols in both CC3 and FM8. I first installed FM8 after my original CC3 installation. I found it easier and faster to deinstall and reinstall the ProFantasy programs again, to get the CC symbols into FM8, rather than copying all of the symbol files. But it's only something that can be done, not something that has to be done.

I'd like to add another point here that's out of the scope of the original questions but may be of importance to some users. On the advice of our attorney, we have ceased using anything from ProFantasy in our FM8 maps that will be distributed commercially. Here's the issue:

1. If you use a PNG from ProFantasy in an FM8 map and distribute the map in original FM8 format (.fmp) to someone else, the recipient can pull the ProFantasy symbol out of the map and begin using it illegally, although they he or she not realize that this is illegal. Basically, the recipient has no license to use ProFantasy symbols in FM8. My attorney believes that the ProFantasy license is absolutely vague on this issue, which in his opinion means that if you distribute an FM8 map (.fmp) with ProFantasy symbols to others, ProFantasy _could_ take legal action against you for a copyright violation. He also added that whether ProFantasy could win such litigation based upon PF's "extremely vague in a legal sense" (his words) license is completely a matter of speculation. This issue applies only to the distribution of FM8 .fmp maps that contain PF's symbols. The attorney believes that there is no issue with distributing FM8 maps that use PF symbols but that have been converted to JPGs, PNGs, etc..

2. Our attorney advised us to get written approval from ProFantasy if we wished to use PF raster symbols in FM8 maps that we want to distribute in .fmp format. We did not do that. We decided instead not to use any PF material whatsoever - not because of the legal issue but because most of PF's raster symbols are in graphical styles that don't match our needs. This shouldn't be interpreted as being a negative comment on the quality of PF's symbols. It's simply an issue of style.

3. This is important in our case because we intend to distribute FM8 native formats maps together with our products in order that users can modify our maps with FM8 as desired to suit the needs if their own campsigns. Because of very tight license restrictions, it's very difficult to do this with Campaign Cartographer 3 maps in their native format (.fcw). If you use PF's symbols in CC3, your users will need to download encrypted versions of these symbols from PF's Internet site before the user can work properly with your maps.

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