Re: [nbos] Nbossoftware Digest, Vol 26, Issue 22
"Mike Oliver"
Thu Dec 21st, 2006
Wow! Above and beyond the call. My operation was pretty specifically
aimed at Traveller 2300 because I opened the old box a week ago to see
if there were any systems I could adapt for my own games and got swept
away by the idea of formulating a "History of Mankind's Expansion to the

I hadn't realised what you'd done because I was unaware of NOX. I think
you have included Gliese catalogue refs in many of the systems you
plotted and the more work I do, I wonder if I'm simply duplicating your
stuff. I've found one or two anomalies which I suspect are the result
disagreements between professional astronomers as much as anything but
nothing really significant.

Did you ever try to get the maps to show up in a format that one might
see as a night sky from Earth?


-----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of Robert Graham
Sent: 21 December 2006 11:21
Subject: Re: [nbos] Nbossoftware Digest, Vol 26, Issue 22


Yeah I did the ones for 0 - 400, 500, 1,000, 2,000, 5,000, 10,000 and
10,000+ on nox the one that took the longest was the 10k + one it is
literally every star we have confermed in the charts as ed's stated it
bring out a nice star field when you zoom out hehe.. I really need to do
an update I sent ya a email off list

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Oliver <>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 5:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nbos] Nbossoftware Digest, Vol 26, Issue 22

Hi Robert:

I'm now making fair progress. Cartes du Ciel (CdC) allows you to have
several catalogues available at the same time and will find specific
stars on the excellent overhead-type star chart from their catalogue
number and give a summary of their astronomical data. I am working on
the 50 Lt Yr version first, to get something done this lifetime :-) I
posted the link to download CdC a short time ago.

I am just naming them for the ID and Constellation in the
Bayer/Flamsteed catalogues but, if they don't have Bayer or Flamsteed
ID's I give them a sequential Query code with the constellation name.
However, I'm keeping the HD, HIP and Gliese ID's in the "Note" tab of
the "Edit Properties" dialogue, so that these can be used in a Search if
necessary. The Gliese number allows a player of Traveller 2300 or 2300
AD to identify the stars on that game's list/map.

Do I assume you are the author of the .csv files that produces the
Kepner maps? If so, you have my admiration; it must have taken courage
to embark on it.

I downloaded your 500 Lt Yr chart from NOX but must have missed the 50
Lt Yr one - I'm on my way back.


-----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of Robert Graham
Sent: 20 December 2006 16:19
Subject: Re: [nbos] Nbossoftware Digest, Vol 26, Issue 22


mine run off a mix of the Bayer Flamesteed, Gliese and Hip catalogs with
the updates done by the Europian Space Agency and The International
Astronomy whatever they are, in 2004/2005 using the last star finder sat
stuff.. I can if you need only a 50 LY version send it to you (I have
one around here some where) I can also sort it by certain star types if
you require (it's all in a database), though it takes time to pull out
you may be able to get the common name (if they had one) by looking at
the set i have vs the ones your using as i discribed on the uploads i
did my naming as: Common - Bayer - Gliese - Hip so Proxima Centuri shows
up as Proxima Centuri - - GL 551 - 70890

The reason for this was that I was having a lot of issues trying to find
set stars by common name with the other catalogs it was taking for
ever.. The set I use I know is also used from memory by Celista for
their programming and was done from scratch using the calc's for
converting Right Ascension etc to distance etc etc.. It took 1 pc 4+
hours to convert them hehe..

As I said I don't know if there any help to you but the linkage
<> &id=21

is there for the lowest one.



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