Re: [nbos] Kepner_50lyr_stars Map revision
Daniel Williamson
Mon Dec 18th, 2006
Mike,

2300AD and Traveller 2300 are the same game 1st edition and 2nd edition. As for converting Botany Bay, Nyotekundu and the like to real star names, I have access to most of the source material, including the Colonial Atlas, which gives you the real names to most of the renamed stars. So I could do that, I have not. Way back in college I typed in all 777+ stars in the 2300AD near star list included in the game. It has been said that the 2300AD near star list has a number of rather significant errors in it. I know that one of them is that Nyotekundu (AKA Wolf 359) is just a touch closer to Sol than more recent list have it. Which is significant because Wolf 359 is a the gateway to the most significant "Arm", the French Arm, in the setting. And without moving it, it is outside of the 7.7 LY range of the game's FTL drives.

My list of the 50 LY neighborhood does not include the 2300AD names. I think I started with the list in the CHView program and migrated from there. I did not keep very good records. But I can always send you my hand typed 2300AD list as well. I'll just have to break out the old computer on which it is stored. Which will take a little more time. Converting it to AS format will not take much time - except for the multiple star systems and White Dwarves.

I'd love to know how to create a Near Star Map like 2300 AD in AS. Any ideas?

Dan.

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----- Original Message ----
From: Mike Oliver <mike-oliver-at-blueyonder.co.uk>
To: nbossoftware-at-nbos.com
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 7:53:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nbos] Kepner_50lyr_stars Map revision


Hi Dan:

This sounds highly interesting. Not to mention the possibility of saving me a great deal of time. As you will have seen, several others have expressed an interest. How do you feel about passing your work on to these guys? Also, is the AD2300 list the same as the T2300 list and were you able to identify the stars to which such names as “Bessières” and “Botany Bay” referred?

Finally, can I ask how you tackled the project? The Near Star List from T2300 contains two reference lists, one from the Gliese catalogue and the other from what I am assuming is the Bayer catalogue. I have the Gliese catalogue available on my software but it is rejecting some of the other identities, so I have doubts about them all being Bayer catalogue ID’s. I have tried to get AS to show the stars as they are shown on the T2300 map – were you able to achieve that?

Since the previous paragraph may be a touch off-topic, feel free to contact me off-list.

Cheers,

Mike
www.cartography-services.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: nbossoftware-bounces-at-nbos.com [mailto:nbossoftware-bounces-at-nbos.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Williamson
Sent: 15 December 2006 17:33
To: nbossoftware-at-nbos.com
Subject: Re: [nbos] Kepner_50lyr_stars Map revision

Mike,

I may have done this work for you already. Tonight I will send you my data sets and see if they are useful to you. You will want to delete all of the UM, UL and UWD systems from my data set. I made those up. My game world is strongly influenced by 2300AD (AKA Traveller 2300).

Dan.

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----- Original Message ----
From: Mike Oliver <mike-oliver-at-blueyonder.co.uk>
To: nbossoftware-at-nbos.com
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 8:51:05 AM
Subject: [nbos] Kepner_50lyr_stars Map revision
I was looking back over some of my old SciFi RPG rules sets and came across Traveller 2300. It was a great background but I always felt the systems were a touch laboured. Anyway, my current gaming project (using my own rules) has reached a point where I need a star map of Earth's "local" region (50 light years around Sol).

Astrosynthesis provides such a map (kepner_50lyr_stars) where all the stars are identified by their references in the Henry Draper (HD numbers) and Hipparcos (HIP numbers) star catalogues. Traveller 2300 contained an excellent star map of the same area of space but the stars are marked with identities from the Gliese catalogue.

Using an astronomical programme called Cartes de Ciel, which contains all the relevant catalogues, I am adjusting the Astrosynthesis map to correspond to the Traveller 2300 one, using more conventional naming (Alpha Centauri, Rigel, Tau Ceti, etc.). I've no idea how long it will take (there are well over 500 stars to do in the AS map) but I thought I'd ask if anyone would be interested in the result. If so, contact me off-list and I'll make a note to send it to you as an Astrosynthesis file (you'll obviously need to own AS).

Cheers,

Mike
www.cartography-services.co.uk


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