Re: [nbos] [NBOS] Campaign Manager
"Mike Oliver"
Tue Mar 18th, 2008
I am anxious not to put a damper on this project - I could use something
like it myself, as I've already said. However, I "served" on a committee
of like-minded Campaign Cartographer users who got together on-line to
design and write such a facility.

We circulated the CC2 user list and invited wish lists, advertised for
people to write the software and even appointed a project manager to
ensure everything was corralled, objectives set and work properly

We never got past the stage of what programming language to use.

If this is an NBOS project, as I gather is planned, that should overcome
this particular pitfall but trying to be all things to all men should be
avoided at all costs.



-----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of Mark Oliva
Sent: 15 March 2008 05:00
Subject: Re: [nbos] [NBOS] Campaign Manager

Some of you old timers on the list may remember the prototype of a
campaign manager I released a few years ago called "The Keep". Basically
it kept track of game notes, fractal mapper maps, character sheets, etc,
all in a hierarchical structure. It also had a built in dice roller, was
integrated with inspiration pad pro, and could import/export so you
could share content.

After reading all the comments this posting has drawn, I see yet another
dream in the making of the invention of what we here in Bavaria call the
egg-laying wooly milk pig (eierlegende Wollmilchsau).

hypothetically ;-) ... lets say I was in the midst of rebuilding that
into an actual product.

If - hypothetically - you were to do that, I wouldn't become envious.

If you were looking for such an application, what sort of functionality
would you need?

We obviously are looking for the egg-laying wooly milk pig and more!
The postings of the last few days make that clear.

At the very start, before we can discuss this better we need to have
some basic definitions. Without them, the discussion already is moving
from a trivial thing like the egg-laying wooly milk pig to something
bigger, perhaps a piggy egg-laying wooly milk reindeer that also can
pull Santa's sleigh on Christmas Eve.

Some things that would be nice to know:

1. What rules system(s) would this wonder support?* (If it's going to
keep "track ... of character sheets" that questions becomes both
unavoidable and critical.)

2. Is this for sci-fi RPGs and people who use AS, or for fantasy RPGs
and those of us apparently in the list's minority who use FM8, or for
both of us?

* If the idea is to tie this with d20, an idea some posters have
mentioned in passing, you probably should spend your time on something
better. d20 will cease to be this summer after D&D 4E appears,
according to Wizards of the Coast. That would be akin to developing a
program for Windows 98. If it's going to be tied to WotC's new GSL for
D&D 4E compatibilty, then a number of us can put this in the "topic for
other people" category. For this option, you also will have to pay WotC
US$5,000 up front for an advance GSL right or wait another year for the
free GSL. If, on my third hand, you plan to make a product that will do
all that it describes with all RPG systems, let me reserve advance
tickets now for the first demo. That should be an event of biblical
proportion that makes multiplying loaves and walking on water look like
child's play. Cecil B. DeMille might even ascend from his grave to
direct the thing, which would suit us fantasy RPGers just fine, because,
what's an RPG after all without the undead?

Only a churl would mention that this posting lacks a single positive
contribution. Therefore, I've mentioned it on my own. Naturally, I
like the concept a lot. To make a positive contribution to the process,
or to even know whether I would be in its target user base, I really
need to know more about its parameters.

Happy weekend,

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