Re: [nbos] Nbossoftware Digest, Vol 35, Issue 24
Michael Jones
Sun Aug 19th, 2007
Thanks for the speedy replies, guys!

Unfortunately, I don't think that I explained myself very well, but - no - the manual doesn't confirm that I can do what I wanted.

Anyway, I think I will have to save the map as a png or jpeg and then crop it into the sizes I want, and then print them out individually. Or put them into Publisher or Word to get a printable document - perhaps make a PDF file. But I digress....

Anyway, I'll try to explain a little better what i want.

I want to design, for example, a 200 foot square map (ie 200ft x 200ft) dungeon map with a 5 ft grid. So the grid will be 40 5ft grid squares by 40 5ft grid squares.

I want the software to chop that into areas of 8 squares by 8 squares. So 25 areas altogether. (5 across & 5 down.)

...and then print each area on a separate page. (So you'll have a square map-section on each page, only taking up about 2/3 of each A4 page.)

You see, I design a map with something interesting in each 8 x 8 section - a room, or cave, and tunnels or doors leading onto the next 8 x 8 section. (Let's call each 8 x 8 section a "room-tile".)

So when playing (with one or two younger players), I usually only need one room-tile on the table at any one time. As they move through the connecting door or tunnel into the next room or cave, I remove the first room-tile and put down the next one.

Very occasionally, I'll design a room that takes up two room-tiles and lay them next to each other (A throne room, or arena, perhaps.).

I print onto card, and get the youngsters to help me cut out each map-tile from it's A4 page. (They get quite excited looking at the map-tiles, but they don't know which order they fit , and there's not too much in the way of plot spoilers on the map-tiles.)

And during play, because I remove room-tiles as they travel around the map, they draw their own map as a reference on squared paper.

I can print room-tiles up to 8 x 11 on A4 card, but I like the uniformity of the square room-tile.

Now, FM 7 (and I believe FM 8) will let me "spread" my 40 x 40 map across 5 pages, so I get room-tiles 8 squares across - but it won't do the same vertically. It prints down the full length of the page, so I get 11 and a bit squares on the first three rows of pages and six in the last row of pages.

I could try to adjust the margins on my printer to make it as appear only as deep as it is wide so I might get square room-tiles,but I can't figure out how to adjust my printer margins from within FM.

I could try to fool it that I'm printing onto square paper, but again I don't know how to do that in FM. (I can do it in MS Word.)

An A4 sheet is 8.27 x 11.69 inches (210 mm 297 mm) so an 8 inch x 8 inch room-tile fits well.

Anyway, I'm rambling now, so I'll finish except to say that if FM had an option to split the map into areas - a bit like the Area Select tool, except for multiple areas - that would be cool. For example, a printing option that you choose how many rows and columns to split the map into, like this:

[Split map into _?_ columns, _?_ rows.]

- well, that might work.

Perhaps someone with a bit of programming abilty could add this feature... please!

In the meantime, it's Paint Shop Pro and cropping time, I guess.

Once again, thanks for your replies.

If I am wrong, and I can do what I want in FM - please call me a silly-billy and tell me how. Thanks!

PS If you've maged to read this far without falling asleep, here is an unrelated query -

My test copy of FM 7 gives all the map fill graphics a reddish hue. Is this just because it's a test program, or am I doing something wrong?




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1. [FM] Dungeon map printing (Michael Jones)
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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:36:01 +0000 (GMT)
From: Michael Jones <michaeljones161-at-yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [nbos] [FM] Dungeon map printing
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I am working on my own RPG for younger players, and am working with the free download of FM 7 to see if it is suitable for my mapping needs.

I am keen to purchase FM 8 as it seems perfect except that I am having trouble with printing dungeon maps as I want them. (I am printing onto A4 paper.)

I would like to be able to design a dungeon with a grid (say 5ft=1in, for example), that wraps over several pages. I would end up with a map of (for example) 24 x 24 grid squares.

I need to be able to print that map out as square 8x8 dungeon tiles. I know I can print out each 8x8 section onto a page individually using the selected area option.

Is there a way to specify the size of the selected area for a continuous print so FM prints out (in the above example) 9 pages each with a 8x8 area on it?

Or with a map of 25 x 33 grid squares, get it to print 9 pages of 8x11 sized areas.

Basically I want to be able to print a map in such a way over several pages that each page has the same size area of map on it. (I used to be able to do this with the old online map creator at roleplayershome.net, but that's no longer active.)

If I can't do it in FM 7, can I do it in FM 8?

Any advice or help will be welcome. If I can sort out this problem, I'll buy FM 8 immediately!


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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:34:18 +1000
From: "Christopher Rodrigues Macias" <cjrm-at-grapevine.net.au>
Subject: Re: [nbos] [FM] Dungeon map printing
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Hi Michael,



I don't believe you can do what you want out of FM7 or 8. (I hope others
will correct me if I get this wrong.) My solution to printing issues has
been to export the map to a .png file or files and then assemble the pngs in
a page layout program for printing.



You could, I believe, use MS Word instead of dedicated page layout software,
although I haven't tried it.



Sorry. Not the answer you were hoping for, I'm sure.



- Christopher





From: nbossoftware-bounces-at-nbos.com [mailto:nbossoftware-bounces-at-nbos.com]
On Behalf Of Michael Jones
Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2007 11:36 AM
To: nbossoftware-at-nbos.com
Subject: [nbos] [FM] Dungeon map printing



I am working on my own RPG for younger players, and am working with the free
download of FM 7 to see if it is suitable for my mapping needs.



I am keen to purchase FM 8 as it seems perfect except that I am having
trouble with printing dungeon maps as I want them. (I am printing onto A4
paper.)



I would like to be able to design a dungeon with a grid (say 5ft=1in, for
example), that wraps over several pages. I would end up with a map of (for
example) 24 x 24 grid squares.



I need to be able to print that map out as square 8x8 dungeon tiles. I know
I can print out each 8x8 section onto a page individually using the selected
area option.



Is there a way to specify the size of the selected area for a continuous
print so FM prints out (in the above example) 9 pages each with a 8x8 area
on it?



Or with a map of 25 x 33 grid squares, get it to print 9 pages of 8x11 sized
areas.



Basically I want to be able to print a map in such a way over several pages
that each page has the same size area of map on it. (I used to be able to do
this with the old online map creator at roleplayershome.net, but that's no
longer active.)



If I can't do it in FM 7, can I do it in FM 8?



Any advice or help will be welcome. If I can sort out this problem, I'll buy
FM 8 immediately!





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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 06:07:34 +0200
From: "Mark Oliva" <mark.oliva-at-steigerwaldedv.de>
Subject: Re: [nbos] [FM] Dungeon Map Printing
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> From: Michael Jones

<<
I am keen to purchase FM 8 as it seems perfect except that I am having trouble with printing dungeon maps as I want them. (I am printing onto A4 paper.)

<SNIP>

Any advice or help will be welcome. If I can sort out this problem, I'll buy FM 8 immediately!
>>

If I understand your question, you can buy now. FM8 does exactly what you want it to do.

To confirm that at no risk, download the free PDF manual for FM8 at:

http://www.nbos.com/nox/index.php?action=1001&id=124

And then go to pages 108 and 109. It tells you exactly how to do what I think you want to do. There are accompanying screen shots as well.

Mark Oliva
Webmaster, the Vintyri Project (TM)
Internet: http://www.vintyri.com
E-Mail: info-at-vintyri.com

Am Hasenl?hle 12
91481 Altershausen, Germany
Tel.: +49 9166 99 54 10

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(This information is required by German law.)





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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:42:58 +1000
From: "Christopher Rodrigues Macias" <cjrm-at-grapevine.net.au>
Subject: Re: [nbos] [FM] Dungeon Map Printing
To: <nbossoftware-at-nbos.com>
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Doh! Apologies, Michael, Mark is right. It is there!

Thanks, Mark.


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From: nbossoftware-bounces-at-nbos.com [mailto:nbossoftware-bounces-at-nbos.com] On Behalf Of Mark Oliva
Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2007 2:08 PM
To: nbossoftware-at-nbos.com
Subject: Re: [nbos] [FM] Dungeon Map Printing

> From: Michael Jones

<<
I am keen to purchase FM 8 as it seems perfect except that I am having trouble with printing dungeon maps as I want them. (I am printing onto A4 paper.)

<SNIP>

Any advice or help will be welcome. If I can sort out this problem, I'll buy FM 8 immediately!
>>

If I understand your question, you can buy now. FM8 does exactly what you want it to do.

To confirm that at no risk, download the free PDF manual for FM8 at:

http://www.nbos.com/nox/index.php?action=1001&id=124

And then go to pages 108 and 109. It tells you exactly how to do what I think you want to do. There are accompanying screen shots as well.

Mark Oliva
Webmaster, the Vintyri Project (TM)
Internet: http://www.vintyri.com
E-Mail: info-at-vintyri.com

Am Hasenl?hle 12
91481 Altershausen, Germany
Tel.: +49 9166 99 54 10

Oliva Steigerwald EDV Verlag
Inh. Gerdi Oliva
USt-IdNr.: DE133935450
Gewerbeanmeldung: Verwaltungsgemeinschaft Diespeck

(This information is required by German law.)



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